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Mar 15 08 7:02 PM

Thanks paxam and this one DOES seem to have some pretty convincing (and disturbing) photos with it.


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Mar 16 08 12:27 AM


em, the pictures from that story reminded me of this video from summer 2010, which i've been trying to find.

i remember this clearly because it was a non-GOM dieoff.  certainly some good video evidence of, uh, something.

i think in the end they said this was something to do with floods and the mixing of fresh water and sea water that killed these creatures?  i don't remember exactly...


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Mar 16 08 2:46 AM

 yes paxam , great pictures indeed, regretfully, this incident took Place in 2008 ! 





the incident does provide pictures, but the incident about the unbelievable number of starfish, crabs, mussels and other sea life wash up dead in england took Place in 2008 ! 



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-540137/Starmageddon-As-thousands-starfish-wash-beaches-blame-destroying-natures-little-marvels.html




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Mar 16 08 2:51 AM

 thank you for the  youtube video about the  Millions of SeaShells appearing on Pakistani Beaches in 2010
°  !   
the  event shown in this video took place in pakistan  in 2010. The Millions of SeaShells appearing on Pakistani Beaches  is indeed interesting, but there is a suprise about it: 
the oldes Comment about this youtube video is comming from watup2154 and  is 6 month old today.  He wrote, quote: "Wat is surprising is that not a single private TV channel has covered this huge Event, No discussion forums on this Topic."

That is Interesting!!!    It is the opposite of the media-situation we are confronted  with concerning   !"January-2011-Events"!  

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Mar 16 08 3:22 AM

it was very hard to find, too.  i was sure it would be easier to find the internet evidence of that than it was - you know, like it was scrubbed a bit...

...but i found it via some other obscure forum

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Mar 16 08 10:00 AM

Steve, I saw this at the bottom of the one paxam linked to:

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Mar 16 08 10:03 PM

this video has some footage of the various animal die-offs, even some wide angle shots where you can get perspective on the size.  not too many wide-angles, but a few...

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Mar 16 08 10:19 PM

NJ - August 2010

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Mar 17 08 12:09 AM

Hey periol,

Great contribution. thank you for your links!  I will proide some thoughts and extra-information  to some of the information you deliver - and look at it   in a new light;

A: NBC REPORT - OVERALL

as far as  the nbc-news-report is concerned: this one goes well along with all of the  other reports: No mass death shown at all.   no wide angles - no proof - no sources - no places - minimum number of dead animals, filmed  individually. no proof - no-event, worthless COVERAGE OF ALL 2011 EVENTS



B: PRIVATE CITIZEN DIE-OFFUPLOAD

 the privately filmed video is great material!!  This is the  first privately filmed video I ever saw,  Therefore: This is also the BEST video I ever saw!  This one might indeed  be related to the mass-death-event-reports of January 2011!    But: even though it might be related to one of those 30 mass-death-event-reports of January 2011, only 30 birds can be prooven to have died in the incident, and the video does not have any time, and it does not inform about the  place where the event took place, nor is there any person filmed or contact-information provided.  Though unlikely,  It might have also been filmed in India in the year 2004. At least, regretfully,  there is noting much to investigate further into, and nothing that would documentate a real mass-death either.   PS.: You wrote:
"camera phone upload of a localalized die-off in the midwest".   I wonder how you knew that this event took place in the midwest.  How do you know it was in the midwest?  The source does not say so. did you guess where the event took place? In case you know more than shown in the video, please let me know.  I  would really like to know more!

C:  BRAZIL
  
 the video  you linked to about  dead fish in Rio de Janiero  does NOT mention how many fish are killed, and
it is NOT from Feb. 2010 as you mentioned it to be.  Just take a look at when the oldest Comment is from and you will easily find out that it is now 11 Month old already! Hence, the incident mut be at least 11 Month old today, or, even older. It does NOT belong to those events that took place in January 2011. That is why the documentation is good on this one. Documentation is only bad concerning  all of those events that took place in January 2011. That is a prooven fact. BESIDES:  No mass death is shown at all.   no wide angles - no proof - no sources - no places - the  number of  fish involved  is NOT mentioned in the video  -  filmed animals might be an estimated of 8.000 small fishes, I guess. But Fox News reports about fifty Tons of dead fish concerning the same incidet:   http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/02/28/fifty-tons-dead-fish-wash-ashore-rio-lagoon/   now:  where is the footage for that!? Conclusion: Again: no mass death shown! No material -  and: NOT 2011 -  But even if "only" 8000" have died, those fish can at least be seen! The footage is much much better than for any of the 2011 incidents!  AND:  This video reveales how many people are need to "clean the mess up" and carry the dead animals away. Such an event causes a lot of work for a lot of men!  Pictures about the cleaning-up-Teams  are entirely missing for all the 2011 events (exept birds in auckland) , therefore I still group all of the  2011-events as the socalled: "non-events of 2011"

D : DELAWARE BAY

great material - NOT 2011-  not one of those "non-events". this  Video is online since  12. August 2010 - relatively good documetation  -   Always only One species per event, so to say, weired. Odd.   comparably good documentation!


E: MARYLAND

in maryland two million fish are saied to have died!  Who has  counted two million fish?   where are the two million fish now? Who cleaned them away from the beach in maryland? Why is this still the only video Material out there about maryland?  best material though!  It does show less than  one percent of the actual number of dead fish reported for  maryland.  But at least it finally is one real video.  Touche! And it is the very only video available. Still: it has the right time - and the right place, and shows  one percent of the maryland-catastrophe, finally on tape !   

 

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Mar 17 08 12:31 AM

A.  There are several shots in this video that shows hundreds or thousands of dead animals, plus a few other longer shots like the pigeons where you're able to see something on the range of 30-50 dead creatures.  I'm not saying it's great footage, but if you went frame by frame counting the dead animals here the number would be pretty high i suspect.

B.  I know it's Midwest because of 1) the terrain is right 2) the accents 3) the comment asking if this is MO, and 4) this came from me trolling through a bunch of private videos about dead birds along various roads in MO this just happened to be the best (I thought) for showing the number of birds, but the footage and road area is the same in all the videos.

C.  The video IS from February 2010.  2010!  We are now about to enter February 2011.  This video is being reposted in many places as video evidence of the current fish die-off in Brazil, I was merely pointing it out to be from what I could find video evidence of large-scale die-offs.  If this is real, I suspect we are noticing now because things have passed a tipping point, and there would be smaller, localized examples such as in this video, the seashells in Pakistan, the fish in New Jersey, Delaware, etc.  None of this of course mentions the simply MASSIVE GOM oil spill-related die-offs, and if you asked me to find a tinfoil reason *they* would manufacture die-offs around the world I would say it's possible they're trying to make it seem like what happened after the oil spill wasn't really, you know, necessarily oil spill-related.

D.  See above

E.  I don't know this was the best video I could find although there were other local reports that showed worse footage than in this video.

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Dead pilchards washing up on Auckland beaches, August 2009
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2721877/Dead-pilchards-washing-up-on-Auckland-beaches

RECENT EVENT:  30 JAN 2011
 
Report of dead mussels washed up on Waiheke Island, NZ (attributed to cyclone)
http://tvnz.co.nz/weather/one-news-6pm-video-1497662
http://www.disclose.tv/forum/washed-up-horse-mussel-shells-in-new-zealand-t42221.html
 
Quote from a guy who lives on Waiheke Island who took the photos I think.
 

Washed Up (Horse Mussel Shells)

I have lived on Waiheke Island (New Zealand) for 25 years and this time of year the beach is usually covered with people sun-bathing, swimming etc. As you can see, there isn't much room left and I have never seen this many shells before. The photo shows one half of the beach and if I turned around and took another shot they would be the same amount again behind me. The shells are Horse Mussels and are a filter feeder.


Image


 


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Mar 17 08 9:18 AM

More photos of the dead mussels here:

http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Storm-blows-up-a-seafood-basket-on-Waiheke-Island/tabid/131/articleID/18330/Default.aspx#0

A lady made a comment underneath the photos:


 

By Louise
I was at Onetangi when this happened, what amazed me was the fact that they were all totally empty.
 
(They were all empty???  WTH?  Those mussels are very hard to get open.  What does this mean?  The mussels just all abandoned their shells at sea?  This seems so weird...  Emeline).

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Mar 17 08 9:27 AM

And this is weird, toxic sea slugs:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/waiheke-marketplace/4059462/Look-out-for-toxic-sea-slugs

Look out for toxic sea slugs

TOXIC
DO NOT TOUCH: Toxic sea slug pleurobranchaca maculate are washing up in the Hauraki Gulf this winter.


Excerpt:

The Cawthron Institute which tested the sea slugs reported the slugs found on the North Shore contained ‘‘deadly amounts of TTX – enough that 0.25 grams of sea slug could kill a dog and 2 grams could kill a human’’.
‘‘It is evident that the sea slugs take up tetrodotoxin from their food chain, however it is unclear where they are getting it from,’’ Cawthron Institute chief Gillian Wratt says.

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Mar 17 08 9:35 AM

Hi periol and Steve, thanks so much for all that information.

It seems to be that some mysterious mass die-offs of fish are going completely unreported almost (at least not carried globally, just sometimes locally) while the global media is making a big song and dance about some occurrences which may not even BE real events or are at least being grossly misrepresented or exaggerated.

Is that what you guys are starting to think too or not?


I tell you what I suspect.  I suspect there is something VERY, VERY wrong with the ocean.   This is why the fish are washing up all over and it's why some of the sea birds are starving, because of the fish dying.

Could it be that the GOM spraying of corexit and the oil has increased the toxicity to the world's oceans enough to start killing more fish and sealife?

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Mar 17 08 2:16 PM

thanks for the discussion to emeline, periol, paxam and all the others. . . 



@ emelime: THANK YOU for quoting "Louise" about the mass-death in Onetangi! 
She wrote she was amazed, about the fact that they were all totally empty!
I cannot take it any more!
- as emelime saied:  the mussels usually are very hard to get open
- the mussels just all abandoned their bodies from their shells at sea before their shells where washed ashore?
- only the shells washed asore?
- it appeared to have happend over night, without  a single mussel-shell on the beach the day before
See Link: http://twitter.com/waihekenews/statuses/31204748984057856  
- neighbour-beaches absolutely non-effected?

This is soooo staged!

But I cannot take it anymore! I am a non believer in any media story, even if it deliveres facts.
My disbelive began with 9/11, then over to Powells and the Irak-War, then the BP-Story in the Gulf of Mexico, which has very little picture Proof as well, and today the birds and Fish mass-death. I dont understand it all - and I cannot by it all anymore - I must live without any belive in anything reported by the press  whatsoever. From now on I will  only belive in things  my own eyes can see or reliable friends will tell me. everything else shall be in doubt from today on until all future times! 
thanks Internet!
back to the roots.
http://twitter.com/waihekenews/statuses/31204748984057856
http://twitpic.com/3ud5tc
local radio Newsstation does not report about it at all:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10703015 no report


no report
http://www.samoaobserver.ws/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30987:cyclone-wilma&catid=55:pacific-region&Itemid=65



no report:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/news/regional.html
no report on waiheke
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/waiheke/search/results.cfm?kw1=Waiheke&kw2=&st=gsa
no report on onetangi
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/onetangi/search/results.cfm?kw1=Onetangi&kw2=&st=gsa

after all my investigation: I come to a conclusion:
the titel of the Pictures emeline  linked to stated: "Storm blows up a seafood basket on Waiheke Island" 
that might be an explanation of the whole scerery!!     Becaurse  maybe a "seafood basket "    is   "only" a basket of mussles that was previously caught and left in the water in the "seafood basket" ? 
like mussels in a net...!!!   , - there was a strong storm over night - the "basket" might not
have lasted and the old shells might have been washed ashore by the storm. !!

Now that might be an explanation for it all! 

  
anyway:  I am Out of it -   Out of research -  also out of belive  -   out of reading the news -   by by global, hello local! -  by by internet, hello neighbourhood.

some more links gathered today:  


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/09/100916-fish-kill-louisiana-gulf-oil-spill-dead-zone-science-environment/




http://www.hollywoodcelebgossips.com/2009/10/07/fish-mass-death-in-fujian-photos/

http://scodpub.wordpress.com/2010/08/14/thousands-of-dead-fish-2010/
http://geteconow.com/mississippi-river-brimming-with-dead-fish-near-gulf-of-mexico/
 

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Mar 17 08 7:32 PM

Steve, you're really hitting the essence I think of why so many of us are "tinfoilers". 

We don't trust our governments.  We don't trust TPTB.  We don't trust the media.

Some of us even have a lot of doubts about what "reality" is.

It's not an easy place to be.

But IMHO it's a lot better than being a sheople.

Smile, breathe and go slowly.’ ~Thich Nhat Hanh

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