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tlr1138

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Jan 31 10 12:39 PM

American advertising has brainwashed the whole world. The poor billions want a pimp-mobile and a McMansion and a porn princess. 

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Jan 31 10 1:06 PM

hey, *i* want a pimp mobile and a mcmansion and a porn princess...  

well, i'd settle for a pimp mobile.  

this would work, as long as it has the hydraulics that make it go bump...

ok, in all seriousness, really shitty gas mileage.  maybe not.  

and i don't want a mcmansion, i just want to live next to the water.  

but about that porn princess...

anyways, that song is from an album of mashups, mixing the music of XX and Notorious BIG

here's another cut


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Jan 31 10 5:50 PM




American advertising has brainwashed the whole world. The poor billions want a pimp-mobile and a McMansion and a porn princess. 

-tlr1138

Yes, but tlr, it was that way before advertising.  

"The eye of man is never satisfied."

I could tell you a dozen stories about Native Americans and how they amassed loads of stuff, just that it was all hand made.  That's what the potlatches were about.  And the chief spent the year amassing loads of stuff because his power and reverence came in being able to give the most stuff away.

After the white man hit and trading started the Native Americans wanted all the stuff they saw white people with.  Of course, those in power (and this is one of those very unpopular historical facts) saw that through these trades they were losing their leadership roles and tried to stop their people from consorting with the whites.

The full story of Tecumseh is a perfect example of this.  He was a wonderful man who, I believe, only wanted what was best for his people. But he had a deranged brother and people with in his own tribe who believed it was time to live like the white man.  They were sick of the leadership structure and felt it was time they be given a chance to get off the bottom of the ladder.

There are diary entries written by the first white men to come to the west coast and they talk about piles of smoked salmon  as big as a log cabin which the tribes amassed for their vast trading networks.  And these networks didn't just trade for food.  People wanted stuff.  They found wampum from the east coast there.

We somehow have been trained to believe tribes lived like wandering gypsies.  Only the plains tribes did, and only they did for about two hundred years or so - as they were pushed westward by other tribes being pushed west from white settlement.  (Which tells us something about evolution and adaptation, but I digress).

Most of the tribes were settled, or enough so that they came back to places with regularity.  Truthfully, a lot of the reason the east coast tribes moved at all was because they used up a soil's ability to grow things, so they had to move to new places.  I know that is not what we've been taught, but that's what the scholarship says.

Anyway, I had a professor that got really angry about white people's (and even most Native Americans these days) attitude that Native Americans lived like Adam and Eve in the jungle.

He said, first of all, that it made them seem no better than animals, unable to improve their lot.  Which is incredibly untrue because they had a vast, and often incredibly malignant, influence on their environment - just as every other human, or the ones that live outside a rain forest.  And he was a scholar, so he loathed how the scholarship has been manipulated.

Because the scholarship (and there is a vast amount from men and women who weren't racist assholes, who really were interested in historically preserving the anthropological data) says that Native Americans wanted the things the white man had.  And got it.  Anthropologists and diarists of the day write of Native Americans with full sets of china, huge wardrobes, even things the couldn't use - butter churns, for example, because they wanted stuff.

Read  about the Cherokees.  Their leadership had vast plantations, beautiful homes.  And lots and lots of stuff.
Psychologists and sociologists surmise (and most of you probably know this) that this need for stuff is part of the hunter-gatherer portion in our brains.

Anyway, that's a more accurate version of Native Americans and stuff.  Even if they realized the white man's ways were stupid and the leadership saw their power slipping away, they all wanted more stuff.

It's a strange world where we want stuff, but the planet doesn't support the desire.  Lots if tinfoil there, I suppose.


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Jan 31 10 11:24 PM

As per your post, MtLouie, it's just a reflection of human nature. Simple envy and consumerism----that appears to be the modus operandi of the bulk of humanity from time immemorial.

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tlr1138

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Feb 1 10 8:40 PM

I'm sure the more nomadic tribes were limited by how much they could realistically carry around.

Anyway, here's "MK ULTRA," originally from 1977 by the Testors. This is a live version by Sonny Vincent with Rocket from the Crypt.

MK ULTRA - Will you wash my brain?
MK ULTRA - Tell me, will I go insane?

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Feb 2 10 5:51 AM

Who doesn't love Adele.

I loved the interview where she was asked about her weight issue and she said, "I'm not a model.  I'm a music artist.  I don't want to be on the cover of vogue.  I want to be on the cover of Rolling Stone."

Of course, now she's been on both.

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Feb 3 10 3:49 AM

Who doesn't love Adele.
I loved the interview where she was asked about her weight issue and she said, "I'm not a model.  I'm a music artist.  I don't want to be on the cover of vogue.  I want to be on the cover of Rolling Stone."
Of course, now she's been on both.

-mtlouie

I think she raises an important point with that comment, since today it tends to be more about appearances than actual talent. She seems to be one of the best popular music artists out there, and it's interesting how "Rolling In The Deep" uses a somewhat 70s-esque style, and is one of the top songs of the last 10 years.

Another song that Rolling Stone called the #1 song of the 2000s also uses a somewhat 70s-esque style:

"Crazy" - Gnarls Barkley:


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Mar 1 10 5:13 AM

    U2's tribute to MLK.

Early morning, April four
Shot rings out in the Memphis sky.
Free at last, they took your life
They could not take your pride.


Smile, breathe and go slowly.’ ~Thich Nhat Hanh

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Mar 31 10 2:04 AM

I just LOVE songs that "speak" to me and this is a great one for young girls.

I play this for my daughter.


Well aren't you just a fun little lollipop triple dipped in psycho......

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Apr 7 10 2:04 AM

Love UB40 and this is one of my favourite songs of theirs.

We will fight for the right to be free
And we will build our own society
And we will sing, we will sing
We will sing our own song

Smile, breathe and go slowly.’ ~Thich Nhat Hanh

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